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Post Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:58 am
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Post Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:27 pm
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Agreed that all sides should start looking ahead. In wiki there is an article on clash of the civilizations..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_of_Civilizations

The Clash of Civilizations
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The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Author(s) Samuel P. Huntington
Publisher Simon & Schuster
Publication date 1996
ISBN 0-684-84441-9
OCLC Number 38269418
The Clash of Civilizations is a theory, proposed by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington, that people's cultural and religious identities will be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world.

This theory was originally formulated in a 1992 lecture[1] at the American Enterprise Institute, which was then developed in a 1993 Foreign Affairs article titled "The Clash of Civilizations?",[2] in response to Francis Fukuyama's 1992 book, The End of History and the Last Man. Huntington later expanded his thesis in a 1996 book The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.

The phrase itself was earlier used by Bernard Lewis in an article in the September 1990 issue of The Atlantic Monthly titled "The Roots of Muslim Rage".[3] Even earlier, the phrase appears in a 1926 book regarding the Middle East by Basil Mathews: Young Islam on Trek: A Study in the Clash of Civilizations (p. 196).

This expression derives from clash of cultures, already used during the colonial period and the Belle Époque.[4]

Overview

Huntington began his thinking by surveying the diverse theories about the nature of global politics in the post-Cold War period. Some theorists and writers argued that human rights, liberal democracy and capitalist free market economy had become the only remaining ideological alternative for nations in the post-Cold War world. Specifically, Francis Fukuyama argued that the world had reached the 'end of history' in a Hegelian sense.

Huntington believed that while the age of ideology had ended, the world had only reverted to a normal state of affairs characterized by cultural conflict. In his thesis, he argued that the primary axis of conflict in the future will be along cultural and religious lines.[5]

As an extension, he posits that the concept of different civilizations, as the highest rank of cultural identity, will become increasingly useful in analyzing the potential for conflict.

In the 1993 Foreign Affairs article, Huntington writes:

It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.[2]
In the end of the article, he writes:

This is not to advocate the desirability of conflicts between civilizations. It is to set forth descriptive hypothesis as to what the future may be like.[2]

Major civilizations according to Huntington

The clash of civilizations according to Huntington (1996), as presented in the book.[6]
Huntington divided the world into the "major civilizations" in his thesis as such:

Western civilization, comprising North America, Western and Central Europe, Australia and Oceania. Whether Latin America and the former member states of the Soviet Union are included, or are instead their own separate civilizations, will be an important future consideration for those regions, according to Huntington.
Latin America. Includes Central America, South America (excluding the Guianas), Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Mexico. May be considered a part of Western civilization, though it has slightly distinct social and political structures from Europe and Northern America. Many people of the Southern Cone, however, regard themselves as full members of the Western civilization.
The Orthodox world of the former Soviet Union (excluding the Baltic states and most of Central Asia), Armenia, Georgia, the former Yugoslavia (excluding Slovenia and Croatia), Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Ukraine and Romania.
The Eastern world is the mix of the Buddhist, Chinese, Hindu, and Japonic civilizations.
The Buddhist areas of Bhutan, Cambodia, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, and Thailand are identified as separate from other civilizations, but Huntington believes that they do not constitute a major civilization in the sense of international affairs.
The Sinic civilization of China, the Koreas, Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam. This group also includes the Chinese diaspora, especially in relation to Southeast Asia.
Hindu civilization, located chiefly in India, Bhutan and Nepal, and culturally adhered to by the global Indian diaspora.
Japan, considered a hybrid of Chinese civilization and older Altaic patterns.
The Muslim world of the Greater Middle East (excluding Armenia, Cyprus, Ethiopia, Georgia, Israel, Malta and South Sudan), northern West Africa, Albania, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, and Maldives.
The civilization of Sub-Saharan Africa located in Southern Africa, Middle Africa (excluding Chad), East Africa (excluding Ethiopia, Comoros, Kenya, Mauritius, and Tanzania), Cape Verde, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. Considered as a possible 8th civilization by Huntington.
Instead of belonging to one of the "major" civilizations, Ethiopia and Haiti are labeled as "Lone" countries. Israel could be considered a unique state with its own civilization, Huntington writes, but one which is extremely similar to the West. Huntington also believes that the Anglophone Caribbean, former British colonies in the Caribbean, constitutes a distinct entity.
There are also others which are considered "cleft countries" because they contain large groups of people identifying with separate civilizations. Examples include India ("cleft" between its Hindu majority and large Muslim minority), Ukraine ("cleft" between its Eastern Rite Catholic-dominated western section and its Orthodox-dominated east), France (cleft between Sub-Saharan African, in the case of French Guiana; and the West), Benin, Chad, Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania, and Togo (all cleft between Islam and Sub-Saharan Africa), Guyana and Suriname (cleft between Hindu and Sub-Saharan African), China (cleft between Sinic, Buddhist, in the case of Tibet; and the West, in the case of Hong Kong and Macau), and the Philippines (cleft between Islam, in the case of Mindanao; Sinic, and the West). Sudan was also included as "cleft" between Islam and Sub-Saharan Africa; this division became a formal split in July 2011 following an overwhelming vote for independence by South Sudan in a January 2011 referendum.

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Post Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:17 pm
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It should be noted that the communal tensions in Burma are historical and have no relation to Western vilification of Islam. Even those with media access (very few indeed) have had very little exposure to global trends.

The resumed communal violence is a consequence of the junta relaxing its iron grip and the Burmese are in for a bumpy road ahead.

Post Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:10 am
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Brendiggg wrote:
It should be noted that the communal tensions in Burma are historical and have no relation to Western vilification of Islam. Even those with media access (very few indeed) have had very little exposure to global trends.


Agreed!

Brendiggg wrote:
The resumed communal violence is a consequence of the junta relaxing its iron grip and the Burmese are in for a bumpy road ahead.


Agreed again.

One thing I think a lot of people in the west refuse to accept, is that extreme Islam has no need to be demonized by the West, to end up with a VERY bad point of view taken of the religion.

Death for blasphemy, death for educating women or treating them as anything but property, even death for simply not being the right brand of Muslim. These acts are widespread and common, and don't need any bad press from the west for the local populations to decide enough is enough, and react violently once the grip ruling iron fist loosens up.
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Post Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:56 am
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I think a lot of the stuff run through the media about muslims is misleading because the western viewpoint ignores the tribal links to issues like stoning and beheading and treatment of women. The tribal customs were there before Islam, but it is not convenient for the western propogandists to recognise that.
Why should we tell these people how to regulate their societies anyway. They behead, they stone and blow each other up on a regular basis, but we in the west with our fascist, zionist, war mongering, christian faith based reasoning are more than ever imprisoning our populations to poverty, suffering and limited opportunity to have a decent life.
We need to get off these muslims cases and focus on our own faults.

Post Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:22 pm
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TMM wrote:
We need to get off these muslims cases and focus on our own faults.


I would suggest that we tackle atrocities wherever they occur without fear or favour.

As a side note, I'm about to head to that very part of the world. I'd love to get some stories from those who were at the coalface and are now displaced. I'll be seeking them out.

Post Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:03 pm
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I believe the civilisations post is a macro view and whether 'macro events' do manifest on a micro level. Is there such a thing as a 'world tide' affecting human behaviour? I read something, somewhere, where the % of male births increased before a major war. It was a long time ago, but the idea stuck. Thoughts?
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Post Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:02 pm
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sanofi wrote:
Thoughts?


Utter bullshit.

Post Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:25 pm
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Brendiggg wrote:
sanofi wrote:
Thoughts?


Utter bullshit.

The best reference I cold find was at:

http://www.pnas.org/content/103/36/13271.full

which supports your statement. where as there is a slight increase in male to female birth rates this occurs during and after a war with recent wars in the middle east being the opposite to the prev mentioned trend. there are reasons to support those instances where the increased ratio occurred. It had to do with x y chromosomes which is beyond me.

there was nothing to remotely suggest any pre-war ratio deviance from the usual male to female ratio.

someone's memory is failing someone.
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Post Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:13 pm
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I guess I should have elucidated. Here are some self-evident factoids.

1. Wars occur with dismaying regularity.
2. Most combatants are men.
3. In between wars, population growth goes on as normal. The relative male to female balance renormalises which gives the appearance to retards that male populations are increasing just in time for the next war.
4. As cool as uteruses may be, their prophetic abilities remain untested.

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