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Post Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:10 pm
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This one is a history lesson for the yanks

Its a stonekettle station blog BTW - guy writes well

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Post Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:21 pm
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:30 am
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People cant seem to see its the same thing happening again except the word is "mussies" this time. I have heard ppl saying obama is a muslem.

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Post Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:01 pm
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A bit of a difference this time Spot.. as in 3, 000 dead Americans killed in the name of Islam

Something fools like to overlook when they trot out this same old bull over and over...
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Post Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:28 pm
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That was more than 10 years ago and how many have americans killed since? Especially in iraq which had nothing to do with it? Its the same thing. A few extremists go and do an atrocity and a fear campaign is born.

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Post Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:53 pm
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DCRocks wrote:
A bit of a difference this time Spot.. as in 3, 000 dead Americans killed in the name of Islam

Something fools like to overlook when they trot out this same old bull over and over...


Weeeell, I've actually considered this parallel and there's some similarities, look no further that this gem from the howling fool from the Minnesota 6th Michele Bachmann and you can see (once you mop away the drool that is) that the hysteria is reaching a fever pitch in some circles and the similarities to ol' Joe McCarthy do make you take a bit of notice.

The Commies took eastern europe by storm after WW2, Joe Stalin had a rep for slaying folks by the millions and the final straw was the damn dirty commies stealing OUR BOMB so given all this + the expansion dogma that was the undercurrent to it all the concerns were understandable and perhaps even prudent in some respects. The witch hunt these concerns inspired however was not and all it took was one incredibly dull man in the right place at the right time to make it all happen and set the country feeding on each other like a pack of dogs.

I am on record, I have grave concerns about Islam. But even in light of these concerns even I find the similarities to some of the rhetoric I'm hearing now to the rhetoric of the Red Scare a little spooky and given the volume of dullards we have in power atm the possibility that another incredibly dull man/woman will be in the right place at the right time and set the country feeding on each other again like a pack of dogs is all too real particularly in this positively asinine political climate we all labor under.

The Soviets were a potential threat . Islam is a potential threat. The one thing these two threats have in common is that by and large they are external ones. If we start hysterically pointing fingers at one another not only will we take our eye off the ball but we'll lose a piece of our national identity in the process. And worse still imo, we will demonstrate that the Islamists are right about us and our situational ethics and our weakness as a people and our decadence and on that day, no matter the final outcome, we will lose the ultimate conflict.

Post Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:11 am
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Jim wrote:
The Soviets were a potential threat . Islam is a potential threat. The one thing these two threats have in common is that by and large they are external ones.


The soviets did not attack on US soil, the Islamic fundies did, and have made REPEATED attempts to carry off acts of indiscriminate slaughter in the US since 9/11. Heck 9/11 was not even the 1st time the WTC was attacked.

the main difference though, is the "Commies" threat/danger in the US was imagined, the Islamic fundie threat/danger in the US is very real, and is on going.

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If we cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


A great quote, and it seems we haven't learned the lessons of WW2, that standing aside and ignoring a growing threat, lead to a cost of millions of lives. Sad to see so many in the west ignore the threat from Islamic extremism the same way it did the threat from the rise of the Nazis.
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Post Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:43 am
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DCRocks wrote:
the main difference though, is the "Commies" threat/danger in the US was imagined, the Islamic fundie threat/danger in the US is very real, and is on going.


Ppl thought the commie threat was real too. The mass hysteria though is the point. "commies under the bed" - seriously Obama is not muslim.

Apparently the only successful attacks (apart from WTT) in america have been from domestic terrorists.

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Post Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:40 pm
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I recognise the tightrope Jim is trying to walk here. Similar to the kneejerk "antisemite!" if you express any qualms with Israel, expressing a distrust of Islam will earn you "Islamophobe!"

Being critical of unfettered ideology (be it Islamism, Communism, etc.) doesn't make you a hate merchant as long as you apply it consistently and fairly. The mindset that promotes witch hunts fueled by fear and ignorance belongs to the exact same category and is therefore worthy of equal scorn.

Post Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:28 am
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However most ppl (especially mobs of ppl) arent capable of rationally processing what they get from the media.

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