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"The latest multilateral gathering on Iran's disputed nuclear efforts might have failed to yield a bargain due in part to a less flexible posture assumed by the Obama administration, al-Monitor on Wednesday quoted sources from participating governments as saying"

http://www.nti.rsvp1.com/gsn/article/to ... &mgf=1

We (the US and Others) have been playing into Iran's hands in this little rhetorical war of theirs for 10 years; you'd figure someone would eventually wise up and look at the realities and come to the stunning conclusion that this is not now nor ever has been a credible threat and the prospects for it becoming one are so low as to be unworthy of consideration.

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The noise we hear at the moment sounds like the same noise we were hearing before the invasion of Iraq. It is so similar that I am tending to not believe much that I hear about it at all.

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This is looking a bit scary

WTF is going on. Why dont ppl just leave other ppl alone dammit.

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Spot of Borg wrote:
Why dont ppl just leave other ppl alone dammit.

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Seems you repeatedly fail to grasp this basic concept Spot.
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Iran should write a computer virus to destroy Israel's nuclear program.

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Jim wrote:
We (the US and Others) have been playing into Iran's hands in this little rhetorical war of theirs for 10 years; you'd figure someone would eventually wise up and look at the realities and come to the stunning conclusion that this is not now nor ever has been a credible threat and the prospects for it becoming one are so low as to be unworthy of consideration.


Iran could easily develope a viable nuclear weapon in about five years or so. They've got all the infrastructure in place for i by now, so industry isn't the bottle neck for them. The problem they're having is that they're actually worse at running a nuclear weapons program than Nazi Germany was. Developing and producing nuclear weapons takes a hell of a lot of physics and engineering expertise which makes it damn difficult to develop and properly weaponize them. It's pretty amazing how just simple, very minuscule errors can have a profound effect on how and if your nuclear device will work.

For example, ever wonder why it is we use so much Plutonium in our nuclear weapons designs despite the stuff being horribly expensive, toxic as all hell, and just plain dangerous to be around? It's because the guys that designed the first generation of breeder reactors for the Manhattan project got their maths wrong and they ended up producing shitloads of plutonium instead of HEU. The error wasn't discovered until the early 1980s and that one little math error influenced weapons designs for almost half a century.

Another, much more deadly screw up was a couple of prompt critical accidents that happened in the early mid/late 1940s involving a plutonium pit affectionately dubbed the "demon core". The guys working on the core severely cocked up handling the core and irradiated the living shit out of themselves.

So yeah, building nuclear weapons is a complicated endeavor and one that doesn't tolerate mistakes very well.

Also, if Iran was serious about getting nuclear weapons of their own they should have worked the kinks out years ago, which pretty much screams they're not serious about getting them. They're just doing the same thing that North Korea does, shout and rant about building nukes as a bargaining chip.
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Hector wrote:
Iran should write a computer virus to destroy Israel's nuclear program.

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Ha! Not even on their best day, could they pull that off. :LOL:
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Then why are you so scared of them?

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Spot of Borg wrote:
Then why are you so scared of them?

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Scared, no, aware of the danger due to their extremist beliefs would be more accurate

After all, the govt preaches suicide as a highest calling, repeated statements they will destroy an allied country, call the US the "great Satan" that should be destroyed, their long standing support of terrorist orgs, and their5 support for terrorism against civilian population centers.
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Like the japanese in that other war. They had their kamikazes. Everyone was scared of them too. Its not really the religion you are scared of its the tactics. You cant fight them.

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