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Post Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:26 am
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FREE THE PALESTINIANS !!![/b]


Well, unless Jordan, Egypt and Syria are ready to fork over some land, that really isn't gonna happen, given it all used to be the "Palestinian's" land, and that IS what it is all about, isn't it. :wink:
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Post Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:12 pm
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DCClown said:
Well, unless Jordan, Egypt and Syria are ready to fork over some land, that really isn't gonna happen, given it all used to be the "Palestinian's" land, and that IS what it is all about, isn't it.


No not really clown...but by now I realse an idiot like you wouldn't be able to comprehend anything.
But you know what...I'll make an effort.

The Israel-Palestinian conflict is wide-ranging.
The key issues are: mutual recognition, borders, security, water rights, control of Jerusalem, Israeli settlements, Palestinian freedom of movement and finding a resolution to the refugee question.
Besides all that there is the two-state demand with the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel.

Got it now idiot?

Post Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:51 am
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The Israel-Palestinian conflict is wide-ranging.


agreed.

The key issues are:

mutual recognition / security / water rights

Nice basic points!

My issue in this situation is, most people seem to Ignore or outright deny, that Hamas has stated it WILL NEVER acknowledge Israel's existence, as it was created for, and dedicated to, the destruction of Israel.

If the Palestinian Govt in the West Bank, cut all ties to, and condemned them as terrorists, I would actually support their demand for a state, but as long as they align with Hamas, IMO,they deserve to be targeted, just like we target Al Qaeda.

borders -

IMO, I would give Israel ALL of the land set aside for both states, and carve the Palestinian state out of Egypt, Jordan and Syria. See how much they find the concept of "land for peace" acceptable. So when we start talking boarders, understand, THAT would be MY starting point of "land for peace".

After all, Israel gave land BACK to Syria AND Egypt, perhaps it should have gone to the Palestinians instead. :idea:


control of Jerusalem

This is a non-issue. Jerusalem IS Israel's capital. This is non-negotiable, and is back up by a military with US provided Nuclear weapons. Get used to it.

:fu:

Israeli settlements

See my POV on land above.


Palestinian freedom of movement

NON-EXISTENCE within Israel, except as grated by Israel, 100% at Israel's choice.

I would make exception ONLY for Palestinians OLDER than 64. I would grant them dual citizenship.


and finding a resolution to the refugee question.

Go elsewhere. IMO, Israel DOES NOT have to accept ANY Palestinians refugee they do not wish to, under the age of 64. And those OVER 64 ONLY if they adhere to Israeli law.

Besides all that there is the two-state demand with the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel.

This such a wonderful dream, but IMO, is NEVER gonna happen. Not because Israel wouldn't accept it, but because the Islamic extremists would rather die than let it happen.

I simply can't get over how restrained Israel has been. The US would have CRUSHED these terrorist orgs, had they constantly attacked for years. :question:
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Post Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:56 am
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Egypt to strengthen ties with Hezbollah
29 December, 2012

Egypt will develop its ties with Hezbollah, recognizing it as a “real political and military force,” said an Egyptian official to Lebanese press. The announcement signals a U-turn in policy where Egypt had accused the group of operating terror cells.

In an interview with Lebanese publication the Daily Star, Egyptian ambassador to Lebanon Ashraf Hamdy said that his country’s newly-elected Islamist government would build “tight” relations with Hezbollah.

He stated that the ruling Muslim Brotherhood was “stretching out its hand” to its neighbors with a view to developing its foreign policy and furthering interests.

“You cannot discuss politics in Lebanon without having a relationship with Hezbollah. It is a real force on the ground. It has a big political and military influence in Lebanon,” Hamdy stressed to the Daily Star.

He went on to deny reports that a delegation from the political group had already visited Egypt for negotiations, but conceded that he had met with Hezbollah political bureau members for discussions “to understand each other better.”

Commenting on Hezbollah’s open support for embattled Syrian President Bashar Assad, Hamdy emphasized the need to “keep all the parties in Lebanon away from what is happening in Syria. Not only Hezbollah.”

Lebanon has been increasingly drawn into neighboring Syria’s spiraling conflict with sectarian tensions running high in the country, rival factions supporting both Assad and the opposition clashing in violent altercations.

Egypt’s relations with Hezbollah were strained during ex-President Hosni Mubarak’s reign. The worsening in relations can mainly be attributed to Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel and Egypt’s refusal to intervene to support Gaza-based Palestinians during Israel’s 2008 incursion into Gaza.

Mubarak was ousted in last year’s uprising that was intended to usher in a new era of democracy in Egypt.
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Internal turmoil barrier to progress

Hamdy said that recently Egypt’s internal conflicts had impeded the progress of Muslim Brotherhood’s foreign policy ambitions and stressed that progress would perhaps take longer than initially thought.

“To expect 180-degree shifts in strong positions take some time. Due to what is happening domestically in Egypt, it might have meant that we have been a bit slower than expected,” noted Hamdy. However, he stated that Egypt’s “intrinsic soft power” in the region would be instrumental in mediation with antagonistic forces in the region.

Egypt will reveal itself as a real regional power and a ‘doer’ on the regional scene and we are keen to show that,” concluded Hamdy.

The ambassador’s interview came just a day after Egypt’s bitterly contested new constitution was signed into law by President Mohamed Morsi on Thursday. The new charter which is based on the principals of Sharia law had effectively divided the Egyptian public, triggering mass riots in Cairo and Alexandria over the last two weeks of voting.

Opposition forces to the new legislation say that the document is uncompromising and rounds on the rights of minority groups in Egypt.

The two rounds of voting were dogged with opposition allegations of widespread voting fraud. The accusations have yet to be addressed and Morsi maintained in his speech to the public on Thursday that the referendum was conducted with "full transparency and full judicial supervision."
http://rt.com/news/egypt-hezbollah-relationship-054/

Post Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:34 am
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Morsi invites Ahmadinejad for OIC summit: Iranian official
Jan 15, 2013

An Iranian official says Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been invited by his Egyptian counterpart to participate in the upcoming summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in Cairo.

During his weekly press conference on Tuesday, Iran’s Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi had invited Ahmadinejad to attend the summit, which is scheduled for February 6-7.

Mehmanparast said the summit would be a good opportunity for the two presidents to hold talks.

During the February summit, Egypt will take over the OIC presidency for the next three years.

The OIC, which was established in 1969, is the second-largest inter-governmental organization after the United Nations and has 57 member states spread over four continents.

Continuous consultation among influential regional countries, including Iran and Egypt, can be effective and beneficial to the expansion of bilateral relations and the resolution of regional crises,” Mehmanparast added.

Tehran and Cairo resumed their bilateral ties after the Egyptian revolution that toppled dictator Hosni Mubarak in 2011.

Iran had severed ties with Egypt because Cairo signed the 1978 Camp David Accord with the Israeli regime and offered asylum to Iran's deposed monarch Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

Morsi visited Iran for the 16th Non-Aligned Movement in August 2012, which was the first trip by an Egyptian president to Tehran since the victory of the Islamic Revolution in 1979.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/15/283673/morsi-invites-ahmadinejad-for-oic-summit/

Post Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:03 am
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Charter flights to connect Iran, Upper Egypt soon: Cairo
Mar 22, 2013

An Egyptian minister says direct flights in the form of charter flights will resume between Iran and Egypt within the coming weeks.

Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Wael el-Maadawy was quoted by Egyptian daily Al-Ahram as saying on Wednesday that the flights will link Iran with three Egyptian cities of Luxor, Aswan, and Abu Simbel.

A private carrier owned by businessman Ramy Lakah is expected to run the new routes, el-Maadawy added.

The Egyptian official's remarks came after an agreement signed between the country's Tourism Minister Hisham Zaazou and Iranian officials in Tehran in February.

Direct air travel between Iran and Egypt came to a halt after the two countries severed bilateral relations following Iran's Islamic Revolution of 1979.

But Tehran and Cairo moved to improve ties following the ouster of the Western-backed regime of Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak in 2011.

Many observers believe that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s visit to Cairo in February was a major step toward further improvement of bilateral relations between the Islamic Republic and post-revolution Egypt.

Earlier in March, Tehran and Cairo signed a memorandum of understanding to promote tourism between the two countries.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/22/294781/iran-egypt-to-resume-direct-flights/

Post Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:23 pm
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I like your theme and the politics Rampager, but perhaps there is a more inclusive way of making a point.

Post Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:08 am
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Ginger wrote:
but perhaps there is a more inclusive way of making a point.


ROFL! Rampage doesnt know how to make a point, only how to copy and paste.

Fuck, Bren has been trying to get Rampage to answer even a basic question like what political form of government he actually supports for YEARS....

All that ever gets posted is ... CHINA GOOD, USA BAD....


Also, be careful what you say you "like", given rampage cheers when the Taliban slaughter women and children, defends the Chinese govts infanticide (one child law) and thinks China is actually more free that western countries....
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